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Euthyphro dilemma

One common argument for the existence of God is the moral argument, which says that the best explanation for humanity's shared sense of right and wrong is a god who sets an objective standard. I've discussed with the Morality Argument before, but I'd like to bring up one particular question that comes up for people who subscribe to this argument: The Euthyphro dilemma:

ἆρα τὸ ὅσιον ὅτι ὅσιόν ἐστιν φιλεῖται ὑπὸ τῶν θεῶν, ἢ ὅτι φιλεῖται ὅσιόν ἐστιν

Plato first posed the dilemma in the dialogue called EuthyphroWhich translates to "Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?" When dealing with Christianity, the dilemma can be phrased like this: "Is what is moral commanded by God because it is moral, or is it moral because it is commanded by God?"

If God commands things because they're moral, then that means there is some standard of morality above and outside of God and he's only passing it on to us.

If something is moral only because he commands it, then morality is arbitrary. If God wanted to declare that genocide is allowed, then it would no longer be evil. If God is the very definition of good, then saying "God is good" is meaningless. You might as well say that that the book 1984 is Orwellian.

The standard Christian response to the dilemma is to say that goodness flows from God and is one with his very nature. I don't think that really avoids the problems of the dilemma, but I'm not bringing this up in order to settle the issue. I only want to point out that there is a dilemma. It doesn't disprove the existence of God, but it does show that the Moral Argument is not without its problems. I think that there are better explanations for our shared morality than god that are simpler, fit better with the facts and raise fewer questions.

Note: I encountered the Euthyphro Dilemma while reading a review of Reasonable Faith by William Lane Craig. The review was written by Chris Hallquist and I recommend it. And yes, this is all a thinly veiled excuse to add Greek to a post.

2 comments

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Your post is actually something I've been thinking about a lot lately. If God is Love, and we can become one with Christ and participate in the divine nature, it seems like God, as the New Testament writers understood him, is as much a phenomenon as a personality. This is not to say He isn't a personality, but somehow he is also something like a Platonic ideal. The fact that we can recognize something called goodness and that base of goodness seems more or less shared across cultures is interesting to me. It can't prove the existence of God (though the evolutionary alternatives tend to lean on theories like hive minds or flock behavior which seem suspect to me), but it is suggestive of _something_ transcendent. What does the very form of poetry, music, and art (apart from any narrative), activate when it "moves" us? C.S. Lewis calls it Joy, which I'm ok with...but I wonder if it's not being near, or perhaps even becoming a part of something transcendent. I don't know how to explain it, exactly, but beauty and love and goodness all seem sort of personified to me. These concepts seem...I don't know...alive in a way that a concept like the particles per liter of fish urine in the drinking water does not. Goodness seems more alive than roundness to me. If God is Love, then, I'm not sure it makes Him less sentient so much as it makes a concept like love more Personal. I feel like these things are sort of on the edge of my ability to grasp or define (the same feeling I get when I try to imagine what a 3 dimensional "flattening" of a 4 dimensional object might look like), so I could be spouting nonsense.
Doug [Visitor]• 02/27/08 @ 16:15
dan [Member] • http://personman.com02/28/08 @ 03:49

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