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Jul
14
2009
A Bible verse that's not true
This is not true:
Whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
--Mark 11:24
24 comments
(And I mean one dated after 14-Jul-2009) :-p
stk [Visitor] • http://randsco.com• 07/14/09 @ 17:23
Katie [Visitor]• 07/15/09 @ 01:46
dan [Member] • http://personman.com• 07/15/09 @ 06:10
Katie [Visitor]• 07/15/09 @ 17:49
dan [Member] • http://personman.com• 07/15/09 @ 17:55
Randy Peterman [Visitor] • http://bible.randypeterman.com• 07/17/09 @ 19:13
olderwrshpldr [Visitor]• 07/20/09 @ 06:56
So, you could ask them if they believed, but I don't know that you would get an accurate answer. That is the problem with human judgment, though. We tend to skew reality because of our presuppositions. I try to make it a personal goal to look at things through other people's lenses. But I do a pretty lousy job most of the time. No one can do that perfectly, anyway.
To answer your question, yes, I think the passage is true, but I don't think I am a good judge of what people truly believe.
For me, I am too afraid to mess something up to pray with that kind of belief. I see biblical examples of people getting what they asked for in prayer and seemingly changing history. There have been a few times in my life that I knew that I was praying for something big that God wanted me to pray for. Those things did happen. But on the whole, I trust that God has things in control. I have never been what you might call a prayer warrior though, because I do not completely get intercessory prayer, and leave it to others more often than I probably should.
As far as context goes, it appears that Jesus is talking to his disciples, but more than just the 12. I was not there, and the promise was not given to me, so I am pretty sure I don't have a good complaint if somethings not given to me that I ask for. If I tell you I am going to give you $20 and then Peter comes asking for $20 saying that I promised to give him $20, I think we would laugh at him (well more than we normally would :)). This is a pretty bad analogy, but I think there are a lot of unknowns that you have to tie up before you pronounce this passage untrue.
Katie [Visitor]• 07/20/09 @ 07:53
Right in the beginning Genesis 1 where it states day light was created 3 days before the sun was created. Anyone with any common sense knows this is false. Adam and Eve had Cain and Able? Where did they meet the women to procreate? The bible is all sillyness........from a 60 year old EX catholic.
richard [Visitor]• 07/20/09 @ 09:07
JOHN TOMES [Visitor] • http://www.loopingbreak.com• 09/18/09 @ 12:00
@richard: A bigger issue is how could there have been days without a sun (a day is defined as between two sunsets)? That's not only scientifically wrong, but also a major plot hole.
Keith [Visitor] • http://zooplah.farvista.net/• 09/19/09 @ 18:34
what seems to be contradicting might actually be agreeing with each other, supporting the nature of God that is beyond human's comprehension.. and.. God is beyond logic or common sense! he doesn't even need a sun to make light, it is just one of the ways...
the bible didnt tell what happened after able and cain, adam n eve could have more sons and daughters after that that married each other... and being a human, We never can understand God, either we trust Him or we go our ways, that's it.
My hope is that we will keep coming HUMBLY before Him and ask for His revelation to us, there is always something new about Him that we, being humen, do not know.
kind regards,
ai_zhan [Visitor]• 09/23/09 @ 01:49
Day 1, God created day and night and seperated day and night with light and darkness.
Day 4, God created the sun. 3 days after day and night. (silliness) but many believe it because thats what they were indoctrinated to believe.
Didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense today. People believe because thats what their families told them, because their families before them told the same stories and so on.
10,000 year old earth doesn't make any common sense either, when many of earths creations took billions of years to form.
You have to use common sense when reading the bible. Its a book that was written by goat/sheep herders who believed demons in their heads caused diseases, and a man named Jesus cursed a fig tree. How credible is that.
charts [Visitor]• 10/22/09 @ 07:55
John [Visitor]• 11/27/09 @ 20:21
You cannot take a pencil and draw a picture of fear for instance; but you can draw a picture of a human being, and depict terror on his countenance. You cannot take a brush and paint sensuality, rebellion, hatred, or spiritual bondage as such; but you can take a pen and write about great fire, and about a soul suffering torment in the flames, and then you will have an excellent description of the inner torment and excruciating pain of the righteous judgments of God brought about by these evils. Yet the carnal mind is certain to think that you mean an actual human body being burned in a physical fire. You cannot picture a soul abiding in the perfect peace, joy and harmony of the glorious presence of God, adoring and worshipful; but you can speak of an experts musician playing beautiful music upon a perfectly tuned harp; and again the carnally minded people will think that redeemed souls are to spend eternity literally playing harps! The Spirit of God uses this method to impart understanding to our minds and hearts. The Spirit uses outer concrete things to express inner spiritual realities. As Paul says, "These things are an allegory" (Gal. 4:24).
La Cuidad [Visitor]• 11/27/09 @ 21:24
People who does not have belief on their prayers, does not get any response.
This Verse Teach us to have Belief In Our Prayer and God !
I think God will find it funny looking at us arguing whether He is real and whether His words are true :)
Kenneth [Visitor]• 12/02/09 @ 22:20
But what I'm thinking is that either they understood those words of Jesus's differently than we tend to understand them, or they were basing their faith on something else.
I came here via Sara's wonderful 5 Worship Songs post which I was an early commenter on, and am amused to see the discussion is still going. I myself ended up leaving the church where that kind of music was heavily featured and now attend an Episcopal church. Love it.
Best wishes.
Kathy [Visitor] • http://www.katwebdesign.com• 12/22/09 @ 18:35
Kim [Visitor]• 01/13/10 @ 13:06
ATG [Visitor]• 01/16/10 @ 02:46
Kim [Visitor]• 02/03/10 @ 12:25
Kim, [Visitor]• 02/03/10 @ 12:36
m [Visitor]• 02/07/10 @ 21:41
...and this is news? You guys do know the definition of truth, right? I suggest you look up the epistemology of both "truth" and "fact".
Then, you can spend your entire lifetime analyzing the bible in a constructive, more truthy way.
John [Visitor]• 02/14/10 @ 12:24






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