Personman - Latest Comments on Prayer and Cancer http://personman.com/?disp=comments en-US http://backend.userland.com/rss 60 Susan [Visitor] in response to: Prayer and Cancer Sat, 19 Sep 2020 03:34:43 +0000 Susan [Visitor] c87245@http://personman.com/ <p>I used to find evidence for God all the time when I went out of my way to locate it for unbelievers. The problem was when I brought it back they always moved the goal post to claim it wasn&#8217;t evidence so I concluded the demand for evidence was a dodge.</p> <p>In Christianity we have both subjective and objective evidence for the existence of God but I think people should be seekers and locate their own like Hugh Ross did if they truly have a scientific perspective that they look at the world from. Not everyone has that perspective but you can borrow that evidence demand as an excuse for wasting time so you don&#8217;t actually seek God.</p> <p>Hugh Ross actually did his own evidence comparison and satisfied his own criteria that God exists but then he did it as a young science prodigy and maybe he was less self deceptive than most.</p> <p>Why seek evidence if the internal scales have already been set to devalue it.</p> <p>Besides God already gave the evidence and says He did in Romans 1.</p> <p>God bless and good hunting, Dan!</p> I used to find evidence for God all the time when I went out of my way to locate it for unbelievers. The problem was when I brought it back they always moved the goal post to claim it wasn’t evidence so I concluded the demand for evidence was a dodge.

In Christianity we have both subjective and objective evidence for the existence of God but I think people should be seekers and locate their own like Hugh Ross did if they truly have a scientific perspective that they look at the world from. Not everyone has that perspective but you can borrow that evidence demand as an excuse for wasting time so you don’t actually seek God.

Hugh Ross actually did his own evidence comparison and satisfied his own criteria that God exists but then he did it as a young science prodigy and maybe he was less self deceptive than most.

Why seek evidence if the internal scales have already been set to devalue it.

Besides God already gave the evidence and says He did in Romans 1.

God bless and good hunting, Dan!

]]> http://personman.com/prayer-and-cancer#c87245 dan [Member] in response to: Prayer and Cancer Thu, 19 May 2016 01:24:28 +0000 [Member] c87225@http://personman.com/ <p>&#8220;Heaven is Disneyland.&#8221; I don&#8217;t doubt that these ideas solidified in your mind when you were a child. Your thinking is like a child (which you probably take as a compliment). I have never seen credible evidence for the existence of your Heaven or any other type of afterlife. I don&#8217;t labor under the delusion that I will survive my own death. I try to face reality and be an adult about these things. You&#8217;re probably right that your time would be best spent elsewhere. Thanks for stopping in.</p> “Heaven is Disneyland.” I don’t doubt that these ideas solidified in your mind when you were a child. Your thinking is like a child (which you probably take as a compliment). I have never seen credible evidence for the existence of your Heaven or any other type of afterlife. I don’t labor under the delusion that I will survive my own death. I try to face reality and be an adult about these things. You’re probably right that your time would be best spent elsewhere. Thanks for stopping in.

]]> http://personman.com/prayer-and-cancer#c87225 jj [Visitor] in response to: Prayer and Cancer Wed, 18 May 2016 10:30:01 +0000 jj [Visitor] c87222@http://personman.com/ <p>I&#8217;ve been reading through these old posts and commenting where I can. After reading this one, I think I will stop wasting my time. I could answer this one when I was just a child.</p> <p>Nowhere in the Bible does God say the goal is to live a long life. The goal is to reach Heaven. God is the one who numbers our years. I&#8217;m happy to return to my Creator as soon as He calls for me: young, old, I couldn&#8217;t care less, and neither should you. </p> <p>If someone is dying of cancer and all you have to offer is medicine, then shame on you. What good is it to save the body while the soul is condemned for eternity.</p> <p>When a saved soul departs this earth your only reason to be sad is because you were left behind. The saved-soul can finally rejoice once they are rescued from this cesspool. <br /> Sickness in the world is the result of sin. God gives us a way out, but like some of the people on this blog, we want to write the rules to how God&#8217;s universe works. Did any of you ever build an ant farm? Who was in charge; you, or the ants?</p> <p>Since this is such a juvenile question, I will explain it the way I have explained it to all my children.</p> <p>Heaven is Disneyland and earth is the line waiting to get in. Sometimes the wait is long, and sometimes it isn&#8217;t. You can enjoy yourself and bide your time while in line with no frets or worries. You can play games and chat with friends. You can eat goodies and sing songs. You can also grumble and complain that it is too hot and the line is moving too slow. You can be miserable while in line. You can be happy while in line.<br /> Still, the goal isn&#8217;t to stand in line any longer than we have to. The goal is HEAVEN.</p> <p>Now go pray!</p> I’ve been reading through these old posts and commenting where I can. After reading this one, I think I will stop wasting my time. I could answer this one when I was just a child.

Nowhere in the Bible does God say the goal is to live a long life. The goal is to reach Heaven. God is the one who numbers our years. I’m happy to return to my Creator as soon as He calls for me: young, old, I couldn’t care less, and neither should you.

If someone is dying of cancer and all you have to offer is medicine, then shame on you. What good is it to save the body while the soul is condemned for eternity.

When a saved soul departs this earth your only reason to be sad is because you were left behind. The saved-soul can finally rejoice once they are rescued from this cesspool.
Sickness in the world is the result of sin. God gives us a way out, but like some of the people on this blog, we want to write the rules to how God’s universe works. Did any of you ever build an ant farm? Who was in charge; you, or the ants?

Since this is such a juvenile question, I will explain it the way I have explained it to all my children.

Heaven is Disneyland and earth is the line waiting to get in. Sometimes the wait is long, and sometimes it isn’t. You can enjoy yourself and bide your time while in line with no frets or worries. You can play games and chat with friends. You can eat goodies and sing songs. You can also grumble and complain that it is too hot and the line is moving too slow. You can be miserable while in line. You can be happy while in line.
Still, the goal isn’t to stand in line any longer than we have to. The goal is HEAVEN.

Now go pray!

]]> http://personman.com/prayer-and-cancer#c87222 April [Visitor] in response to: Prayer and Cancer Fri, 04 May 2012 08:22:54 +0000 April [Visitor] c87001@http://personman.com/ <p>Ok I&#8217;m sorry for venting. Danny made some points in a early conversation that I got out. I guess I&#8217;m tired of the Christians is against everyone thing. Whos right whos wrong thing. I don&#8217;t think anyone is %100 right.<br /></p> Ok I’m sorry for venting. Danny made some points in a early conversation that I got out. I guess I’m tired of the Christians is against everyone thing. Whos right whos wrong thing. I don’t think anyone is %100 right.

]]> http://personman.com/prayer-and-cancer#c87001 April [Visitor] in response to: Prayer and Cancer Fri, 04 May 2012 07:39:46 +0000 April [Visitor] c87000@http://personman.com/ <p>I was just thing of this same thing. My oldest Daughter who is 13 love to watch Sunday morning. One of the stories on it was how wonderful botox was. It had only one line where it said it was proven to cause cancer in mice. Then they just fluffed over it and talked how wonderful it was. My daughter was like why would anyone put that in there face when they even said it can cause cancer. I was like I don&#8217;t know. Has anyone every thought that maybe is its our own demise that cause cancer. Of all the crap that in our food, we put pesticides on our food and ingredients that we cant even pronounce. My mother in law did some cancer research and our deodorant has chemicals in it that actually cause cancer. We cant go on like this with out consequence right? As for the God Question fine he created cancer but we are the ones who choose to feed it. Why dose he not give us the cure? Why would He? Look at what we have done, things in the world is all gone to hell and people would probably use it for self gain and profits. Save the rich and poop on the poor. As a race we are selfish, conceited and stubborn and think we are own own gods. We think we know everything. In the end it is us killing our own selves. </p> <p>As for the faith. To me its more about trust. I left the church for many reason. I do believe that a lot of Christian are being led blindly. They believe every word that the pastor says and don&#8217;t bother to look for them selves. I&#8217;m not say that it true for every Christian but at lest the church I came out of. I hate religion I hate the whole idea of it. I&#8217;m not talking about what I believe but about the whole church religion system. Pastor says one thing and then you find out he is lying his ass off. I know that there are a lot of wonderful good Christian people. I really don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m am I know I do believe in God but I just don&#8217;t believe is some of the stuff they preach in the church. <br /> I believe that there is a God, because well I just cant fathem the thought that we are from monkeys it sounds so stupid. If were are from monkeys why is there no between. There should be monkey, monkeyman ,Man Why has only monkey and man survived.</p> <p>Think about it. </p> <p>1 tiny organism figured out how to make a male and a female to make a whole new species. On accident Really? </p> <p>we breathe in oxygen and breath out carbon dioxide. Plant breath in carbon dioxide and breath out oxygen. All on accident Right? </p> <p> I do believe that a higher force God created an environment to allow us and other beings to habit the earth. Everything is perfect for us to live on earth. It all happen by accident. I don&#8217;t by it. </p> <p>Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.<br /> Albert Einstein</p> <p>I think Science just prove God is real. I don&#8217;t know why Christians believe that to believe in God you cant believe in Science.<br /> I Believed in a God that created a world that was perfect for us, but as humans we take, take , take and don&#8217;t give and now we are suffering the consequences.<br /> I&#8217;m a Christan that believes in Christ but I don&#8217;t believe in man&#8217;s version of the Bible. Man wrote the bible and man is not perfect. I believe there are great stories and history in the bible I love reading it but there are just somethings I think the writer got wrong and misinterpret before he wrote. Faith for me is trusting that God is GOOD and my relationship with him and not what others think I should believe in. <br /> Think about it The New Testament contradicts the Old Testament. Really it dose. In the old Testament we here of the Gods of wrath and I will smite you down if you don&#8217;t follow the rules and New New Testament Jesus is invited all to be with him. Sitting at the table with sinners and whores. The Old Testament kills whores. So personally I&#8217;m going to go with the New Testament God and Jesus. Now with that Yes I believe in Christ Jesus, I just think that the people who wrote the Old Testament really protraed God wrong. I could be wrong and The New testament was written wrong and God is really that mean, but if that&#8217;s the case I guess we are all domed. But that&#8217;s what faith is Trusting. As far as evolution well if we don&#8217;t change something. I don&#8217;t think we will be here 500 years from now or we might become fat slobs that cant move like that movie Wall-E. Then we will ask our selves who is the the more evolved species. Ok I know what I said probably did not make sense to Christens but it dose in my head. Ok my vent is done.<br /></p> I was just thing of this same thing. My oldest Daughter who is 13 love to watch Sunday morning. One of the stories on it was how wonderful botox was. It had only one line where it said it was proven to cause cancer in mice. Then they just fluffed over it and talked how wonderful it was. My daughter was like why would anyone put that in there face when they even said it can cause cancer. I was like I don’t know. Has anyone every thought that maybe is its our own demise that cause cancer. Of all the crap that in our food, we put pesticides on our food and ingredients that we cant even pronounce. My mother in law did some cancer research and our deodorant has chemicals in it that actually cause cancer. We cant go on like this with out consequence right? As for the God Question fine he created cancer but we are the ones who choose to feed it. Why dose he not give us the cure? Why would He? Look at what we have done, things in the world is all gone to hell and people would probably use it for self gain and profits. Save the rich and poop on the poor. As a race we are selfish, conceited and stubborn and think we are own own gods. We think we know everything. In the end it is us killing our own selves.

As for the faith. To me its more about trust. I left the church for many reason. I do believe that a lot of Christian are being led blindly. They believe every word that the pastor says and don’t bother to look for them selves. I’m not say that it true for every Christian but at lest the church I came out of. I hate religion I hate the whole idea of it. I’m not talking about what I believe but about the whole church religion system. Pastor says one thing and then you find out he is lying his ass off. I know that there are a lot of wonderful good Christian people. I really don’t know what I’m am I know I do believe in God but I just don’t believe is some of the stuff they preach in the church.
I believe that there is a God, because well I just cant fathem the thought that we are from monkeys it sounds so stupid. If were are from monkeys why is there no between. There should be monkey, monkeyman ,Man Why has only monkey and man survived.

Think about it.

1 tiny organism figured out how to make a male and a female to make a whole new species. On accident Really?

we breathe in oxygen and breath out carbon dioxide. Plant breath in carbon dioxide and breath out oxygen. All on accident Right?

I do believe that a higher force God created an environment to allow us and other beings to habit the earth. Everything is perfect for us to live on earth. It all happen by accident. I don’t by it.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
Albert Einstein

I think Science just prove God is real. I don’t know why Christians believe that to believe in God you cant believe in Science.
I Believed in a God that created a world that was perfect for us, but as humans we take, take , take and don’t give and now we are suffering the consequences.
I’m a Christan that believes in Christ but I don’t believe in man’s version of the Bible. Man wrote the bible and man is not perfect. I believe there are great stories and history in the bible I love reading it but there are just somethings I think the writer got wrong and misinterpret before he wrote. Faith for me is trusting that God is GOOD and my relationship with him and not what others think I should believe in.
Think about it The New Testament contradicts the Old Testament. Really it dose. In the old Testament we here of the Gods of wrath and I will smite you down if you don’t follow the rules and New New Testament Jesus is invited all to be with him. Sitting at the table with sinners and whores. The Old Testament kills whores. So personally I’m going to go with the New Testament God and Jesus. Now with that Yes I believe in Christ Jesus, I just think that the people who wrote the Old Testament really protraed God wrong. I could be wrong and The New testament was written wrong and God is really that mean, but if that’s the case I guess we are all domed. But that’s what faith is Trusting. As far as evolution well if we don’t change something. I don’t think we will be here 500 years from now or we might become fat slobs that cant move like that movie Wall-E. Then we will ask our selves who is the the more evolved species. Ok I know what I said probably did not make sense to Christens but it dose in my head. Ok my vent is done.

]]> http://personman.com/prayer-and-cancer#c87000 Sara [Visitor] in response to: Prayer and Cancer Sun, 15 Jan 2012 07:39:58 +0000 Sara [Visitor] c86909@http://personman.com/ <p>&#8220;God the Father&#8221; &#8220;Father&#8221; Ultimate creator is the ultimate parent and sometimes when a parent says &#8220;No&#8221; it upsets us because we can not see what they do. I got cancer at age 19 when a young wife and mother. I also knew that God had helped me in the past as well as trusted me to work it out some thing for myself. I have faith in Him as He has in me. This is less about why won&#8217;t God do what we want when we want it, it is more about having faith in Him and in yourself to have the courage to face what you must do. To do what must be done on a daily basis, to get up and do what it takes to strive for a cure and still have a smile for another. I believe firmly that if a person does not believe, then all the miracles won&#8217;t work because lack of belief is a shield nothing can penetrate. And I believe that even when He says &#8220;No&#8221; he is still with by our side guiding us toward where we need to be. I have had astounding miracles in my life and soul-crushing sorrow and I still believe in God. Those who do not believe will no doubt jump on my writing and tear it apart but my belief does not depend on what others think. So if you feel it important to dissect what I wrote that is alright because I can still smile over the memories I have of miracles that have taken place in my life. God is a comfort to those who believe and we all seek comfort in different ways; this is mine&#9829;</p> “God the Father” “Father” Ultimate creator is the ultimate parent and sometimes when a parent says “No” it upsets us because we can not see what they do. I got cancer at age 19 when a young wife and mother. I also knew that God had helped me in the past as well as trusted me to work it out some thing for myself. I have faith in Him as He has in me. This is less about why won’t God do what we want when we want it, it is more about having faith in Him and in yourself to have the courage to face what you must do. To do what must be done on a daily basis, to get up and do what it takes to strive for a cure and still have a smile for another. I believe firmly that if a person does not believe, then all the miracles won’t work because lack of belief is a shield nothing can penetrate. And I believe that even when He says “No” he is still with by our side guiding us toward where we need to be. I have had astounding miracles in my life and soul-crushing sorrow and I still believe in God. Those who do not believe will no doubt jump on my writing and tear it apart but my belief does not depend on what others think. So if you feel it important to dissect what I wrote that is alright because I can still smile over the memories I have of miracles that have taken place in my life. God is a comfort to those who believe and we all seek comfort in different ways; this is mine♥

]]> http://personman.com/prayer-and-cancer#c86909 John Menuis [Visitor] in response to: Prayer and Cancer Mon, 26 Dec 2011 05:45:23 +0000 John Menuis [Visitor] c86891@http://personman.com/ <p>Stephan posted: &#8220;Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that god is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.<br /> 6. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (&#8230;) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.&#8221;</p> <p>This is Pascal&#8217;s wager. It is invalid. It is not a case of if you are right you are OK and if you are wrong you are still OK. What if the Hindus or the Moslems or the worshipers of Zeus are right then as Christians you are screwed. Remember this. If you had been born in India you would likely be a Hindu. If you had been born in Iran you would have been a Moslem. This thing of worship Christ just in case Christianity is right is just a cowards way of covering his tail. Don&#8217;t you think God could sort out that kind of phony belief?</p> Stephan posted: “Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that god is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
6. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (…) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.”

This is Pascal’s wager. It is invalid. It is not a case of if you are right you are OK and if you are wrong you are still OK. What if the Hindus or the Moslems or the worshipers of Zeus are right then as Christians you are screwed. Remember this. If you had been born in India you would likely be a Hindu. If you had been born in Iran you would have been a Moslem. This thing of worship Christ just in case Christianity is right is just a cowards way of covering his tail. Don’t you think God could sort out that kind of phony belief?

]]> http://personman.com/prayer-and-cancer#c86891 Chris [Visitor] in response to: Prayer and Cancer Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:54:42 +0000 Chris [Visitor] c86867@http://personman.com/ <p>im just saying we don&#8217;t even derive the right to live in the frost place. we lost our right to a perfect world when we sinned.</p> im just saying we don’t even derive the right to live in the frost place. we lost our right to a perfect world when we sinned.

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